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Do you think having children is a fundamental human right? Should there should be any restrictions?


I don't know.

I once knew of a pedophile that wasn't allowed to be near children, but when he and his wife had children of their own he was unmonitored because he hadn't ever molested family members. No questions asked. Not even an interview from social services. The kids were just labeled exempt.

So really, I don't know. Maybe there should be, but I don't know where those lines are and I don't think anyone else does either.

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mazzy2121
Sep. 24th, 2010 02:42 am (UTC)
That's really tough. I'd say EVERYONE has a right to have children should they want them, but I see what you're saying with the pedophile. Essentially he could just be making his own playthings, as completely blunt and 'icky' as that is.

On the opposite, even with the pedophile, I have to say he has a basic right to bare heirs should he want to, just like any 'nut' has. If he does wrong by them then the law must step in and take care of it. It just sucks that those kids have to be left to their own devices if/until that happens, but I don't think we could function as a society any other way. We can't make laws and convict people of "potential" wrong-doing. Hell, we'd probably all be locked up! lol

But again, you certainly do pose a big moral dilemma with this one.
severely_lupine
Sep. 24th, 2010 02:47 am (UTC)
Well, if they instituted castration as a punishment for rape/child abuse, that wouldn't be an issue.

It is a tough question, as a lot of people (even non-abusive people) are terrible parents. But I really think this is one of those things that the government simply should not have control over. Because the next thing you know it's like, "What's that? You have something critical to say about the government? Well, you're not a fit parent, so we'll just be taking your kids." Things like this, you have to look at how such laws could be abused by bad governments, not just how they could be used by good ones, because it doesn't take much to turn a good government into a bad one.
teshara
Sep. 24th, 2010 03:16 pm (UTC)
When they did the test groups for chemical castration in the early 90's they found it had no effect. Many molesters never use their genetalia.

Unfortunately we have had periods of time where children were taken away for agreeing with the government. The Carnegie strikes, when their workers wanted to unionize, the government finally decided after many months of upheaval, to take away the children of the Irish workforce because they were 'too focused on their own greed rather than feeding their families.'

An estimated 500 kids were taken and adopted. Not fostered, adopted. Even after it was all cleared up, those people never got their kids back. Most of these kids were too young to remember and as soon as 10 years later the government was calling it a relocation success because the kids weren't vengeful or causing any retaliation havoc.

Most of those kids have no idea where they came from, since the adoptions were a mass project they slapped a gag order on the adopting parents.
severely_lupine
Sep. 24th, 2010 06:21 pm (UTC)
Oh, I'm not saying castration is the solution to the rape problem, just pointing out that it would prevent them from having children of their own. I don't even mean to be advocating that course, since I've heard the same thing, but it would address the concern you raised here.

Holy cow. That's terrifying.
lookinfoareason
Sep. 24th, 2010 04:23 am (UTC)
Wow. That's rough.
Did he ever end up abusing his children?
teshara
Sep. 24th, 2010 03:17 pm (UTC)
Not as far as I know. It was apparently a mental health issue with him and with medication his destructive impulses stopped.
bloodcult
Sep. 24th, 2010 12:28 pm (UTC)
You can go several different directions with that. I know of several cases like that one you stated that ended up with the kids being scarred and perhaps ruined for life, like the 8 year old girl who by the time the cops took her into custody couldn't remember a time when she wasn't making kiddie porn.(being married to a children's therapist is difficult at times)
And on the other end of the spectrum during the cold war children were removed from their parents because of parents political beliefs and there are STILL people in this country who are not allowed to adopt because they freely admit to being atheists.
It's a thorny question.
sunnythirty3
Sep. 25th, 2010 02:21 am (UTC)
I deal with people all the time who should never have become parents. Drug addicts, alcoholics, people who psychologically can't handle their own lives without bringing a dependent child into the mix, abusive people. Their children have little hope for a decent future, they'll either live in poverty, abuse, or they'll become their parents.

And guess what? These are the people that breed. Three, four, five kids to different fathers. They grow up having no stable home, no stable father figure, and often no sense of identity. Their lives are full of halves and steps and no-one who belongs to THEM.

I've often said in jest there should be a special application process to go through to become parents, but in reality it'll never work. Pity.
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